Have we paid £8bn more in than we've had out?

From the archive — published in 2014 on the original Chokkablog, kept as it was written.

When I initially made this post I wrote: "No.  The First Minister lied."  Since then I have received two helpful clarifications (see comments at the foot of this post) and am happy to apologise and retract the accusation of lying.

I think however that you'll agree - if you wade through the following logic - that the First Minister's statement was intentionally misleading.  While appearing to say we paid £8bn more to the UK than we got back over the last five years he was effectively suggesting that over the last five years Scotland should have been running an even higher deficit than we were to the tune of £8bn. Remarkable.

[A briefer summary o this logic can be found here > £8.3bn better off?]

To elaborate:  there was a statement made by Alex Salmond in the STV debate that bugged me; I managed to source the exact wording and Mr Salmond is quoted as saying

Now I think I known the GERS numbers pretty well by now and I simply couldn't see how on earth that statement could be justified.

Taking first of all what most people watching will have thought he was referring to: in fact

These figures of course assume we keep "our" geographic share of oil using the Scottish Government's most favourable definition of geographic share.  We run a deficit.  The UK runs a deficit. Of course we get more back from the Treasury than we put in.

Of course the subtlety in our First Minster's statement comes in the use of the phrase "in relative terms".  The BBC suggested this explanation:

With apologies to the BBC: whilst that explanation fits the numbers unfortunately it bears no relation to the First Minister's words.

So I turned to the raw data.  I chose to go back 7 years (there is normally a reason why a figure is quoted over a particular time period so I wanted to check the sensitivity to longer as well as shorter periods). As well as comparing Scotland to UK total (as GERS and IFS do) I compare to rUK (the rest of the UK excluding Scotland) which would seem to me a more helfpul comparison.  I show the full table of data below for those who (like me) prefer to see an audit-trail of the figures.

Before I received the steers as to how the figure was arrived at I applied the implied BBC methodology (grossing per capita differences to full year figures by multiplying by the Scottish Population).

To correctly describe the figures the BBC use to explain the First Minister's statement (highlighted in yellow in data table);

To fill in the figures for the statement our First Minister made as I would interpret them (highlighted in light green)
* Using 5 year average and multiplying by 5


To make what I might humbly suggest is a more fairly representative statement (figures in green)
  • In recent years Scotland gets more back from the Treasury than we put in, even applying the most favourable assumptions around keeping "our" geographic share of oil revenue.
  • If you want to be precise in the numbers; looking at this on an average annual per capita basis relative to rUK;
    • Over the last 7 years on average we've paid £2(!) pa. more in than we've had out
    • Over the last 5 years on average we've paid £54 pa. more in than we've had out
    • Over the last 4 years on average we've received £156 pa. more out than we've put in
    • Last year we received  £512 more out than we put in to the Treasury
So we can see why the 5 year time period was chosen; take a longer or shorter time period and the picture changes dramatically.  I have neither the time nor the inclination to go back even further than 7 years - we should really be discussing the future after all.

But hold on; we still haven't explained the £8bn figure.  It was at this point that I initially concluded our First Minister and his script writers must have simply lied - I accept now that I was wrong and am happy to put the record straight.  I'm indebted to Ivan McKee of Business for Scotland (and another Anonymous contributor) for giving me a steer on this.

The figure can be arrived at if you assume over the 5 year time period Scotland should have received the same share of expenditure as its share of tax contribution.  Sure enough you can get to the £8bn figure on that basis (highlighted in blue).  There is a massive and - once you've thought it through - fairly obvious problem with this approach; it would mean our share of the deficit would become the same as our share of tax contribution - we would be disproportionately responsible for the deficit and the debt associated with it.

Let me offer a narrative interpretation of the figures (figures not already quoted above are highlighted in the table in orange.)

Assuming Scotland keep "our" oil money on a geographic share basis (and taking the Scottish Government's most favourable definition of geographic share);
  • The higher levels of public spending we currently receive mean we run a very similar per capita deficit to the rest of the UK (although in recent years Scotland has been running a significantly higher per capita deficit)
    • Over the last 7 years £2(!) per capita per annum lower
    • Over the last 5 years £54 per capita per annum lower
    • Over the last 4 years £156 per capita per annum higher
    • Last year £512 per capita higher
  • If our share of expenditure was the same as our share of tax contribution (the First Minister's hypothesised case) we would run a higher deficit (as our share of deficit would become the same as our share of tax contribution).  
    • Over the last 5 years Scotland's share of deficit generated (8.2%) is very similar to our population share (8.4%); over the last 7 years its identical (8.4%) and over the last 4 years its higher (8.9%)
    • Under the hypothesised case we would have spent an extra £8.3bn; of course that means our deficit would also have been £8.3bn greater
    • Under the hypothesised case Scotland's 8.4% of the UK population would have been responsible for 9.5% of the deficit (i.e. debt requirement) - that's an additional £1,332 of debt for every man woman and child in Scotland
So what can we conclude from all of this number crunching?  Funnily enough the same as when I looked at these figures nearly 3 months ago here > Oil & Gas Part I: For Richer for Poorer;
  • Scotland receives back in higher expenditure about the same amount as we contribute in higher tax if you assume we get to keep "our" oil and gas
  • On this basis Scotland historically runs a similar deficit/capita as the rest of the UK (although last year it was £470/capita higher)
  • A corollary of this would be that we are (at least over the period I've analysed here) responsible for our per capita share of debt even if we are allowed to retrospectively  keep "our" historical oil & gas revenues
To account for the First Minister's statement we can add;
  • If we decided that Scotland should have produced a higher per capita deficit than rUK because we contributed a higher share of tax (assuming we keep "our" oil) then we would indeed  have needed to receive an extra c.£8bn over the last five years ... and our deficit (and hence implicit share of debt) would be £1,332 per capita higher than our per capita share






1. 5 year average deficit of £10.3bn x 5
2. 5 year average per capita deficit of £1,949 x 5

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